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# Argumentation can test ideas when participants...
> Argumentation can test ideas when participants consent to the exchange and understand its rules. Arguing as interpersonal combat is different: it prices victory above learning and often leaves both people with less intelligence than they began. Intellectual friction needs a container.
**Source:** [[livestreams/Simple Steps, Mental Levers, and the Practice of Change - Workbook|Simple Steps, Mental Levers, and the Practice of Change]]
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“Argumentation can test ideas when participants consent to the exchange and understand its rules. Arguing as interpersonal combat is different: it prices victory above learning and often leaves both people with less intelligence than they began. Intellectual friction needs a container.”
— Bryant McGill
https://bryantmcgill.com/quotes/quotes-argumentation-test-ideas-friction-needs-container
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