# Even if we're in a simulation, the world around us can be perfectly real by David Chalmers > "Even if we're in a simulation, the world around us can be perfectly real." > **— David Chalmers**, *Reality+ interviews (2022), wording candidate* Verification Status: Unverified — exact wording/source has not yet been independently confirmed against a primary source; source clue: Reality+ interviews (2022), wording candidate.